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Hk passport/ID card
Posted by MumBee (76 days ago)
My baby was born in HK, and I was hoping to get LO a HK passport and ID card. Can anyone tell me if this process is difficult, and if we can get it same day, or will it take a while?
My husband is a permanent HK resident, I am not.
Thanks.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by cara (76 days ago)
it depends on what the birth certificate says... at the bottom where it says "right of abode" or something similar does it say ESTABLISHED? if not, then you'll be outta luck i'm afraid.
you don't say if your hubby was born in hk or if he earned his PR...
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by aemom (76 days ago)
It takes "a while" - 19 working days.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by MumBee (76 days ago)
DH was born in HK. :)
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by cara (76 days ago)
then you should not have any problem at all.
good luck!
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by MumBee (76 days ago)
Thanks Cara - any suggestions for how to start the process? I dont know where to begin and cant seem to get through to the immigration officers when I call the hotline.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by cara (76 days ago)
i would go down to immigration with the birth cert., your marriage cert, both of your id cards and make a start of it. i don't know exactly what you need as i applied for canadian passports for both of my kids even though we could have gotten them HKSAR passports.
i don't have id cards for them either, i just take their birth certs when i travel...although i'll be seeing about resolving that situation in the next few months...
you could see if there are any forms on the internet that you can download, that way you'd know what it is that you would need
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by joshmomm (76 days ago)
Hi MumBee, you can download guidance notes and application forms online --
http://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/hksarp.htm
All the info that you need is there. We just followed the instructions on the guidance notes and sent in our application. Only when you collect the ID/ passport would you need to bring the baby along. Good luck.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by MumBee (76 days ago)
Thanks Cara and Joshmomm. :)
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Katetam (75 days ago)
If your baby is born in HK, he/she is automatically resident/citizen of HK. It does't matter what yours or your husband 's status are. The parent's status is only of concern, if the baby is NOT born in HK, and you are trying to get the HKID for him/her based on you or your husband's status. My daughter is not born in HK, but because my husband and I both have 3 stars on our hkid, and after a lengthy process proving we are living in HK permanently, our daughter was granted the HKID but only with 1 star.
You need to bring his birth certificate to immigration along with his HKID photo, and if you are (you should) applying the HKSAR passport at the same time, then you need the HKSAR passport's photos as well, and application form.
You need to bring him/her ONCE to the immigration for them to see him/her in person. It can be at the application, or when you pick up the documents.
(The ONLY thing you have to think about is) if your child is of another citizenship (like American, or Canadian...etc.) you know by law, to be declared a chinese citizen, you are only allowed ONE country's citizenship, unlike Canadians, we are allowed dual citizenship. (many ignores this "legal matter" though).
Hope this helps.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by cara (75 days ago)
"If your baby is born in HK, he/she is automatically resident/citizen of HK."
i don't think that is true in all cases. ONLY if you are chinese, i believe.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Katetam (74 days ago)
How can that be Cara? You mean the immigration would determine a child's resident/citizenship based on the COLOUR of his skin ? ( I assume that's what you meant).
Honestly, you don't believe that can be true ?
I have MANY students who are NOT Chinese (by race or colour) who are born in HK, and are HK citizens/residents by birth, and have the HKID with 3 stars right of abode.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by cara (74 days ago)
yep. that's exactly what i mean.
not every child born in hk is eligible to be a permanent resident. if a child is born here to PRs that earned their PR status, then that child is classified as a PR UNTIL they reach the age of 18(?) then they lose it. they can reapply for it if they have spent the 7 years here continuously, just as any other person who has earned their PR can.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by cara (74 days ago)
for example:
my two children have *** established on their birth certificate BECAUSE their father was born here and is PR CHINESE HKer.
i, too, have PR, but i earned mine. if i had married an expat that also had PR, then my children would have PR until they hit 18. then they would have to reapply for it.
because my children were born to a HK CHINESE, they never have to reapply.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by cd (74 days ago)
To Katetam, being born in HK to non chinese parents gives you no rights at all.
I have had 2 kids born here, and they are entitled to nothing, although they are now PR as we are.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by joshmomm (74 days ago)
Even those who "earned" their PRs, if they want to have *** on their HKIDs, can get the *** if they can prove that they are of Chinese descent. Both my husband and I earrned our PRs, but I got *** on mine by having to PROVE that I am of Chinese descent. I had to show not just my own papers, but also my parents'.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by MC (74 days ago)
Cara is absolutely correct. Only a person born in HK who is of Chinese descent can have automatic permanent residence status. There is this complicated definition of being "Chinese". My daughter was born in HK and I had to take my mainland Chinese passport to the government to prove that she is partial Chinese. Then they put down on her birth certificate that her permanent residence status is established.
As for getting the ID and HK passport, not hard. Just get the application and either send them in or go in person. The whole system is pretty good.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Katetam (74 days ago)
I have family who are NOT of Chinese descent, but have lived in HK for 7 years, but the child is born in HK, (not looking any part Chinese)..... got birth cert, and 3 stars .... they came back to HK to give birth SO she can have the HKID.
I don't get it.
I have to research more into this. Interesting.
I do know that they don't issue HKID to those children who are NOT born in HK, and not lived in HK for 7 years.
If your child is born in HK, HKID should not be a problem right? Maybe not 3 stars (like my daughter), but she gets a HKID ?
I am so confused now.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by cd (74 days ago)
I don't know about the ID cards, everytime I've asked someone, they've said that even though my kids are PR's they cannot get an ID card until they're 11. But I've also heard that they should be able to get them.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by joshmomm (74 days ago)
If you apply for an SAR passport, then you will have to apply for the HKID as well. If memory serves me right, we actually collected the HKID and the passport at the same time. The HKIDs for children under 11 (or is it 13) don't have any photos on them, unlike ours.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by cara (74 days ago)
kate~they may have attained their status before the handover???
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Katetam (74 days ago)
Cara, yes,I think they have PR status before 1997. However, My parents are not born in HK, and my brother was born in Canada, never lived in HK, but after a lengthy process, my brother also got the HKID. But 1 star.
My daughter got her HKID at age of 3 months. At that time, the officer wanted me to wait until she lived in HK for 7 years to apply for the HKID. I begged that they look into my application, and if there was ANY way I can get the HKID for her because it would be more convenient for travelling, and for schools... etc. The officer was kind, and after 3 months, my daughter's HKID was approved.
My son is born in HK, no problems there. No questions asked because husband and I are born in HK.
However, I think the rules and regulations are very dependent on each case. That's why if you ever call to ask immigration, about HKID ... they always say, "it depends case to case."
I had no idea that getting the HKID or PR status depends whether you are chinese by race. That's terrible if it's true. Totally discriminating.
So if a caucasian couple, has PR status, gives birth to children in HK, and then their children grows up, needs to apply for PR status after age 18, then they give birth to their children, and they have to go through this process again ? So they will never get PR by birth generation after generation ?
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by cara (74 days ago)
you misinterpret....
many non-chinese can "earn" PR status. i have. BUT it is different to the PR status that my husband, locally born, has. he cannot lose his status or ROA. i can. i have to return to hk once every three years if i leave in order to maintain my ROA.
as for HKID...EVERY person residing in HK for more than 3 months MUST have a HKID. it's nothing special. it's what is written on the ID that matters.
my children ONLY got ROA (with 3 *) because their father is chinese and has it.
and as for your last paragraph, yes, that would be my interpretation.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
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